Please add your comments about innovative social forms, intentional (or otherwise) community.
January 26, 2001
We are looking for support and to attract members
January 18, 2001
leigh stapleton-ward, firstname.lastname@example.org,
Getting people involved
My intention to get as many people as I can to think about their involvement in their community.
I want people to make their voices heard in order to make a sustainable future for us all.
This may well be a pipe dream, but I'm working on it.
If you have experience in community development in any shape or form please visit my site, put forward your views or help me with my research.
I want to make a difference, please help me.
April 10, 2000
I have a comment about community living as I read the opinions others have left here.
The first is that within your home you have a basic community structure. Whatever the heirarchy that has been created: Whether it is the male dominant "king of the house", and his faithful and devoted "queen" who implements the decision of the king and keeps the house running as he would have it, the children the obedient "subjects" or some variation of it Or perhaps you are one of those who tries to live as contemporary ideals suggest, "co-leaders" who jointly make decisions for the family and home, the children given right to question, but the parents make the final decisions Or even an equal-authority based family unit, where all of the residents live in a democratic environment, where every decision is voted on and majority rules. The family comes to represent the facets of community. The dictatorial, the democratic, and the communal. Regardless of the form within your home, the doors are the end of that dominion.
You live within a community within your home, and another outside, that may or may not have the same form as inside. Outside, you are one of another community, whether you take advantage of expressing the values, needs, and desires of your own private community outside of those doors is another matter entirely.
Many people fear or simply neglect participating in their individual communities, be it in their home, their towns, their state, their country their world. Some think that they have no voice, which may or may not be true. But using it is the only way to make it what you would have it become. Change needs that first step. Declaration, suggestion, whatever you want to call it.
I dream of a different community to live in, but I know I will not find it, unless I look for one or change the one I'm in. Thia
February 9, 2000
Karma Mechanic, THE_FOCI@hotmail.com
Types of community
This is from a book by Szekely:
Difference Between the Ideal Essene Community and Other Types of Organization:
The Capitalist system is based unilaterally on private property.
Anarchist communities are based unilaterally on an exaggerated individualism to the detriment of communal life.
Utopian Communist Colonies are based unilaterally on an exaggeration of the community which suppresses individual liberty.
Cooperative Colonies (of production and consumption) are too dependent upon outside society and are based somewhat unilaterally
on economic interest.
Religious Colonies are based unilaterally on exclusivist dogmas and neglect omni-lateral life.
All of the Colonies demand individuals be unilaterally uniform in conformity with their exclusivist aims.
The Ideal of the Essene Renaissance avoids all these disadvantages in replacing these pseudo-values with the real values of life.
The book is: Father, Give Us Another Chance. Ted
January 9, 2000
Karma Mechanic, THE_FOCI@hotmail.com,
Communes in general do not work because of the laxity in 'rules' that allow a more charismatic character(s) to take reigns and others to follow due to lack of personal initiative in their own 'selves'. ICs allow the space for personal life to be personal as well as like minded folk sharing in common goals. An example of such is in Bordeaux's work with such communities before the war (WWII). He inspired a group of young anarchists into developing their own self-sufficient and yes successful community. (Followers of the teachings of Prince Kropotkin.) Alas, they did not make it through the war.
Being a hermit is not going to solve a problem in culture - but providing space between possible freeways or shopping malls, and ones community can sure give a piece of mind. If an individual or group finds it acceptable that they dance on their tabletops nude and that visitor should endure such that should be accepted. The same- if a dwelling wishes that people take their shoes off at the door or that the visiting pets don't jump on their sleeping space- this should be accepted as well.
As far as individuals needs being subordinate to the community, I do suppose a group of neighbors with similar interests (such as the air) may have rules. Burning car tires upwind from ones nursery may be a reasonable one? An IC may be co housing in an urban environment or a 88 acre section of land where some neighbors can not even hear their nearest neighbors play drums by the fire in the field on full moons. . . The Benedictines and the Pythagoreans lived in ICs as did the folk at The Hog Farm or Gaskins (Stephen) Farm. The sky is the limit as long as there is open communication and integrity in reaching community goals and personal freedom. This may sound all idealistic, but it is - only if not practiced. PEACE, TED
January 3, 2000
Gene Gerue http://www.ruralize.com
Intentional Community or Neighborhood?
Yes, I have looked in on the IC site from time to time over
the years. I do not find specific suggestions of land CC&Rs. Do you know
where they are? ICs are entities. I do not visualize an entity here so much as
a neighborhood of like-minded people. What I am moving towards is more of a
planned unit development, designed to maximize ecosystem and human quality of
life factors. If someone wants to be a hermit most of the time, that's okay
with me, although I would prefer as neighbors those who cherish privacy and
private time but also shared experiences, with no particular schedule or
ICs are very group oriented; the individual's needs are subordinate to the community. I need more personal space, more freedom, fewer rules. I admire the success of many ICs. They are great for those who want or need structure provided by others. One challenge most have is handling the human desire for control. In every IC I have visited or talked to members about, there is always someone who tries to boss others. One of the success's of modern ICs is their development of conflict resolution. But, lordy, sometimes they talk things to death until they get consensus.
I'm not looking for personal conduct rules. I am looking for
CC & R's that protect the ecosystem and personal freedom. My belief is that
certain CC & R's will attract like-minded homesteaders. Gene GeRue
Author: How To Find Your Ideal Country Home
January 10, 2000
Karma Mechanic, THE_FOCI@hotmail.com,
I do agree that 'communities' and boards talk forever - and sometimes still do not come to a reasonable conclusion. I don't understand what neighborhood and community have in such a different light. It seem that an entity (Incorporation or whatever) is the best way to get large amounts of land and space for the like-minded neighbors to be such, as well as the buffer from the 'Babylon' - if you would. These two issues are close to the same thing in concept. I've seen a lot of what does not work and why. This makes my approach to what is a positive project a very via negativa approach - kinda like a QC at a assembly line - disliked at times because they do the job of ensuring efficiency (in spite of the board at times) well. TED
December 26, 1999
Having intentional community requires some degree of like-mindedness or cohesiveness, which on the same token makes to limit the size. I've been to one here that Bo Lozoff was living in before he started the current community of his own planning (and fame). Part of the issue of this community by-laws is there is a rule of not allowing guns in the community. Some people would have a problem with such a rule. I do. I appreciate the ideal...
The amount of finance available and the amount necessary is definitely going to govern the growth and process in building such a community, so i believe. Land for the community in a trust fund would be a practical 'score' to prevent the sale of the property or foreclosure for that matter. We've (loosely used term) looked at issues of finance in community members and the right to a voice in the 'community'. Not having a surplus - nor even adequate capital has provided inspiration. A central perk site and building a concrete shelter with all the amenities required for emergency shelter for the community seems a must. Then individuals (households) can build their own shelters as they see fit. Yurts and tepees seem to be popular - in some cases as all that is necessary for some peoples ideas of simplicity. In other cases as interim shelters until log cabins or stone structures are built.
I've explored the ideas of have and have-nots. People with sums of money-say ten grand, could make make a down front investment to build at the ground floor to have a voice. People without money of that kind could donate a minimum amount of time (labor skills, tools, etc) for their voice. People in the past always helped their neighbors build and/or repair each others dwellings. . .
Issues have been weather patterns i.e. flood zones - now or possible in future, fault lines (there is a lot of instability along much of the east coast that is not considered because of inactivity for so long) - there are many showing signs of re-activity, types of possible food in the area, etc. Another is great land next to a 'created' lake that is so polluted people are warned against eating fish out of or even swimming in. Found great spots for good prices downwind from a medical waste incinerator and near the fall zone of nuclear plants or spent fuel-rod storage spots.
I do not know if this input is useful or not. If so, I'd enjoy touching base and babbling some more. For now, I feel as though I've rambled enough. TED
January 1, 1999
Kevin and Donna
Kevin and I were just talking yesterday about how the desire for a community, village, or tribe must be in our genes or something. We thoroughly looked into joining a community, even made special trips to visit a few, and were left feeling disappointed and rather hopeless that there could ever be a successful community that could peacefully include everyone's vision of life. We saw nothing that even remotely resembled our deepest desires for a village that we could feel comfortable with. So we improvised and adapted our plans and decided to go it alone, just the two of us, but with the hopes that EarthStar could be a teaching model and an example of how we could all find the middle path between the desire for a close-knit community and the lonely isolation that most people feel. I think your idea of having a cyber-village is an excellent one. At least we can all get together and share and communicate our hopes and dreams in a form that is available to us right now. Who knows about the future? Life, for us, is all about navigating the present moment, and looking for the little gifts in the here and now. And as we live from our highest and best in the now, we feel that we can certainly create a higher and better future for the earth and all mankind.
September 28, 1999
Subject: Editor's Lead Off
At this point in time, New Liberty Village Online could be considered a town or small city similar to any other small town in most ways. Those who live here value their independence and privacy, and there is no central belief or doctrine that defines them as a group of persons, as set apart from the general population, except a willingness to consider ways to work along side others in fulfilling the common, and their own, good. They do not live in a commune or community where all share common beliefs.
The people who live here have independent family life and homes, and are free to work and worship as they please. The rules and regulations they follow are those of the existing government of their locale, and at this time, they vote, or chose not to vote, in the regular elections held by the national and local government. Gradually, new slants on many issues are coming to the forefront of our consciousness, and those seeing the possibility of new social lifestyles are discussing these matters. As the new New Liberty Village takes shape, a greater consensus and cooperation might arise. If so, it will form of itself through individual experience and insight, not through accepting someone else's values or beliefs or holding to some program. We value diversity and individuality, and believe with proper perspective and ordering, these values can be nurtured in a social setting. In fact, even in the USA, we believe, there are influences and forces extant that discourage and hamper Individuality and personal initiative.
In line with our perception that we all are very vulnerable to disruption and scarcity caused by a collapse of the present systems, and simply because we like this new lifestyle for living, in the present, we are defining a new rights government, new economic associations, and encouraging new Spiritual/cultural activities. Some shared social legitimacy and regulation and enforcement in the rights areas may grow on matters that develop in day to day life which will set a community apart from others concerning local issues. Hopefully the end result will be communities and ways of life new and different from the present.
There is no pressure to participate in any group activity at New Liberty Village. Any action is taken voluntarily, simply because one wants to do it, for whatever personal reason. There is no authoritative leader to please or displease. The Human Rights rules and ordinances are derived from an active, true democratic process, and are open to change and transmutation at any time. The future form the New Liberty Village will take is still very open to suggestion and direction. Do you have some suggestions to make, directions to point?
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